So if you take the therapeutic dose of magic mushrooms, do you feel like you’re on another plane of existence? So let’s just for the sake of compliance let’s say we’re leaving science now because science is like, yeah. So we’re coming now to my personal opinion. This is all a very spiritual experience. And I almost would claim you cannot be a real atheist after you took psychedelics because everybody comes out and has these — let’s call it spiritual for now, religious — very deep experience. It’s like some people meet entities. Do I personally believe? Yes, yeah, because I’m spiritual, religious, like, I believe. Have you met entities? Yes, especially, I especially met God like every single time. So tell me what that was like. It’s undescribable because that is the — no, by the way, suddenly, if you — This is a podcast, everything is describable. Yes, I’m trying. I just give you the word that it is undescribable because that is the nature of God. So my guess, by the way, obviously we have to bring it across in a podcast and you can say you don’t want to answer: Have you done it? No. It’s practically like you read in the Bible where it’s like you can’t make a picture of God. You can’t. It is like that. God is so much bigger, yeah? And so much out of our comprehension. But on psychedelics, you’re going on a state of consciousness, which allows you, I would say, to comprehend the nature — and let’s maybe use the divine — and to communicate with it. You actually believe that this opens doors. You’re not just locked into your head having this experience, you’re opening a door to the infinite. You don’t think that it’s possible to open that door and have something dangerous waiting on the other side. That is one of the best questions because I never had it in a podcast. So well, this is the special thing about “Interesting Times.” So I believe and it’s — by the way, maybe the one question I ask every religious leader I’m meeting is like, how do you make sure that you’re meeting God and not a misleading entity. Yes, yeah. If you want a very simplified — I have some concerns about the misleading entities. So, I’m thinking about that, by the way, an incredible amount because I’m again — But you don’t think just to be — you don’t feel like you’ve met a misleading entity. And the reason is —how do I phrase it like — again, this all sounds cheesy for the ones who want to make fun of it. But, like, I do believe that ultimately not just life is good, but God is good. And if you go and have a sincere problem which you’re bringing towards God, then he, she, it will always answer. That is my deep religious belief that these psychedelics are meant to open up that. So God gave it to us for a reason. He wants us to discover him in that way, if you’re ready for it.
